The Josh Bolton Show
The Josh Bolton Show
Questioning the Unseen: A Deep Dive with Caroline
Have you ever questioned the societal norms and wondered if there's more to what meets the eye? Well, in our intense conversation with Caroline, we unravel the often overlooked aspects of our world, challenging the status quo and unearthing fascinating narratives. From the intricacies of government manipulation and the role of ammunition in our society, to the unsettling realities of surveillance technology, we go farther than the surface, eliciting thought-provoking dialogues and insights.
From the streets of California to the global political stage, we traverse a myriad of topics, opening up discussions on the divisive political climate, the implications of AI and technology, and the chilling prospect of a thousand-year war. We also delve into the mind-bending world of Caroline's science fiction and paranormal books, bringing to life characters and plots that will keep you on the edge of your seat. No topic is off-limits, as we share personal stories, discuss intelligent farm animals, and ponder over the human concept of time, religion, and karma.
We wrap up this rollercoaster of a conversation by probing into trigger warnings, their sensitivity, and how they've become an integral part of our society. We journey through stories of personal conflict and surprising animal intelligence, all while exploring the power of narrative. Join us as we navigate chaos, philosophy, and the fascinating intricacies of our world. Sit back, grab your popcorn, and be prepared to be thrilled! One thing's for sure - Caroline's captivating insights and stories are something you wouldn't want to miss!
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Hello, hello, hello. My friends, how are you all doing today? Today we are in for a hell of a ride. Caroline comes on again and boy oh boy, do we just kind of jump right into it and not care what we say? For context, because we I, like the last interview I did, I just pretty much had to hit the record button because I was like I'm never going to hit it, kind of thing. And we just start talking about COVID and hurricanes and the government and how they're manipulating people and we get it a little into a political unrest and stuff like that. And yeah, it is fun, hang in there. We do get around to her stories and boy oh boy, her stories. A hell of a ride too. It really gets you thinking. So here we go, let's buckle up, get some popcorn, get your drinks and let's rock and roll. Welcome to the Josh Bolton show. We've done interesting and inspiring conversations, and now your host.
Speaker 3:Josh.
Speaker 1:Bolton.
Speaker 3:Patient program or any other type of government program or anything like that. The reason why they're never successful is because if we're ever successful with something, if we solve a problem, if we go, oh, this is how you stop this from happening or this is how you make this happen, then the money dries up.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, where I live in my part of California, my city, the police alone. They have three armored trucks and armored RV. They have enough armory to make the military blush Like they have full and gatling guns. We're a small town. Why do you have a gatling gun and armored RV?
Speaker 3:I don't think we're supposed to ask those big questions, Josh.
Speaker 1:I've actually said it to the chief herself. I was like why do we have that armored RV? Kind of like that makes no sense.
Speaker 3:I think most likely, and we'll probably both disappear and end up in Siberia after me saying this and you ask in the question. But I think that communities have those in case of what they would call a national emergency or martial law being imposed that way. They've already stationed that type of equipment around the country.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, I know that's. That was pretty much what she said. She's like we're given a budget, we were under budget, so we had to spend everything to make sure we were overspending. So they give us more money next year.
Speaker 3:Oh well, yeah, that makes that makes sense too, but I also think that they do that kind of thing to make sure that every place that they could possibly need rapid deployment of military type behavior that they can. The interstate highway system isn't so we can all go to Disneyland easier. That's not what that's for. It's completely set up so that the military can mobilize quickly if they have to. Oh yeah. And that's just that. That's not like a conspiracy or anything, that's just the way it is. That's why they were built.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like if you take, you can take. I think it's the five from San Diego all the way to Washington. So you literally just hop on the five and you can go north. You got two guys cranking red bulls. You can do it in 24 hours, kind of thing.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, or you know. Just look at the way the entire system is laid out. It's just a straight shot from one part of the country to the next.
Speaker 1:Well, it's the same for me. When I went earlier in the year, I went out to Texas for a railroad job. I literally just hopped on. See the 10. Yeah, the 10, because I went past the Grand Canyon and then came in. It was literally just straight and then a sharp turn right into Texas.
Speaker 3:I was just one of those 1010 goes south, 10 goes along like the like.
Speaker 1:17 is that for something then?
Speaker 3:Okay, I 40.
Speaker 1:That could be it, yeah.
Speaker 3:Okay, yeah, because I 40 even goes across Missouri.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I went. I went from California, nevada a little bit in New Mexico, tapped Missouri for a second and then it came back to Texas.
Speaker 3:Yep, that would probably be it. Cool. But yeah, it's a lot of things that people just think are, you know, for making their life easier. That's not really what they were designed for.
Speaker 1:No, no, they. They're just waiting for something. Well, they've been waiting since like the six. Yeah, they've been waiting since the 80s, but they know something's coming and that's why they're arming their teeth.
Speaker 3:Well, and you look at things like how many millions of bullets FEMA thought why does the? Why does FEMA need millions of boxes of bullets?
Speaker 1:FEMA. What's, what's that?
Speaker 3:one again the federal emergency management agency. Yeah, like the people who show up if a hurricane happens or something like that. Why are those bullets?
Speaker 1:Well, here's the crazy thing here in California, essentially to legally buy bullets, they have to do a background check on you and you're you're given limits, so you can only buy up to. You can only buy up to two boxes and within a one month period, and they're not taking our guns away, but they're taking the thing that goes boom away.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you can't do much but the WACA and intruder over the head with your gun if you don't have a bullet.
Speaker 1:Pretty much. But here's the weird part though with California salt shots and buckshot, that was not limited Really, yeah, that's, that's the weird part.
Speaker 3:That is I mean you can. If you're up close to somebody, you can inflict some real serious harm with the shot.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was, I think, yeah, I think buck, they do have a limit, but it's not crazy like two, but birdshot is like no limit. Even if a birdshot you can really mess up a human.
Speaker 3:You could, especially if you're a good shot and nowhere to aim. So go for one of those weak points in the body.
Speaker 1:Well, just somebody's face, yeah, their throat, their face, exactly, oh, that's not good, right, but this is like wait, why is birdshot like all you can eat buffet kind of thing? It's like unless they, unless they think like no one's actually going to be smart enough to use it that way.
Speaker 3:And it's also because your birdshot. You could have a whole stock pile of birdshot, but if it's the government that has control of the actual bullets that are going to inflict danger from a distance, you're still screwed, you're out of luck.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh my gosh, you're screwed. Yeah, I mean, I've interviewed many like Navy SEALs, military, one guy that was active special ops and he even told me he's like, oh yeah, he's like, if you think you're not being watched, you are so wrong. He's like, and he's like, this is watching you, that's watching you, and he's like those helicopters like they're always watching you and I'm like I thought it was news. He's like, yeah, about that, it's not the news.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah. People talk about invasion of privacy and everything. If they think that we have privacy, they're deluding themselves because we don't. Everything can track you these days. Your car can. I mean people who have things like on star. You'll hear on the news where a burglar stole a car and on star was able to turn off the car and they slowed down and we're at a complete stop on the interstate and the police just surround them. Well, guess what they can do? That if they decide your public enemy number one, two, even if you're not doing anything wrong.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, no, this is the funny thing I tell people. I said Elon Musk is smart, he sells the people what they want. But I said but he's not actually selling what people want, it's what the government wants. I said if everyone goes all electric and they have some AI bond that controls them, everything about the car I'm like I could be trying to head out to that valley and something. My car decides to turn around and then bring me back to jail.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:What are you going to do about that?
Speaker 3:Exactly. Yeah, I don't know. I think people have a misguided sense that they have more rights than what they really do.
Speaker 1:I mean I bought a for the railroad job. I bought a Toyota Tacoma but it was like the last one without like the actual auto assist driving. Which is actually one of my aunt in Texas had the Kia, whatever with the auto assist. Okay, it's kind of cool, you press a button and it keeps you in a lane, kind of thing like. So she literally was talked to us for like 70 miles, never touched the steering wheel. That was cool, but it's terrifying at the same time because it could drive itself.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and go where it wanted to, and I know, okay, so this was a crazy thing that happened to me, okay, so in late March my old car got hit for the third time by a deer and it was a fatal blow the last time. I couldn't have? Yeah it, I mean the highway patrolman picked up one of its headlights Down the highway. You know it was in bad shape.
Speaker 3:Yeah, now I'm okay, but Sparky is no more, and so I had to get a Nissan. Well, I didn't have to get a Nissan, but I had to get a new car. And I got a Nissan and it doesn't have on star, so, and I'd been used to using on star with my Chevy Well. So then I thought, okay, I'll switch to using Google maps on my phone Right or whatever the will map app is. That's on my phone, just automatically my iPhone.
Speaker 3:And I remember I had gone to see Keith and that was it. Like that was the first time I'd ever plugged directions by putting an address in. And I got in my car and my phone gave me an alert telling me and I was like I'm going to be on the return, on the return trip, when I left seeing him, how long it would take me to return home and I thought, well, wait a minute, I never told you where my home is. And then the next day was a Monday and I was going to go into town and it told me this was during summer break. It told me it already knew where I worked and I'd never used it for that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I have an iPhone too and I had to like go into the settings and turn all that off, Like I know it's still tracking me, but it's not going to tell me that anymore, Because before I got this this, my new job of being like a pool guy I was going down literally like a mile down the street to my janitor job at night, it would tell me, at exactly 1121. Don't know why 1121 to pick that. Your drive to work should be clear. You should only take you five minutes. I would always get frustrated with that was my day off. I'm like I'm not going to work, Dang it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it just knows too much about us. It just does. And there's not much we can do about it at this point, because even if we don't have any kind of device that would track us, every business has surveillance cameras. Now, I mean, I see, I see the houses.
Speaker 1:when I do pools, everyone has the ring or some sort of like Chinese knockoff surveillance system, which there's a whole problem with that, but yeah yeah it's cameras everywhere.
Speaker 3:And the Chinese situations just like really a little under evasion.
Speaker 1:They're about to collapse their economy, though.
Speaker 3:Are they?
Speaker 1:They're about to have their own version of Lehman Brothers here.
Speaker 3:Really what's going on?
Speaker 1:So essentially so. For that one, it started back in like 2017. They essentially were just printing bonds and just giving these developers money so they could make China stronger more money. Well, suddenly the bonds came due and they didn't have the money. So they kind of like.
Speaker 1:So they kind of like, did like a hey, just give us like a month or two to get the money, kind of thing, because it's all in our buildings. So they avoided default during COVID. But now it's coming due again and essentially the Lehman Brother, all these people who normally shouldn't have a house have houses and cars and stuff it's all going to suddenly come due.
Speaker 3:Oh my gosh, that's crazy.
Speaker 1:And this is where, like America is heavily invested in China, china is heavily invested in us. So if one goes down, the other goes down, and if we go down, like Europe goes down, if you're a go down, saudi Arabia area goes down. So it's like I'm just sitting here watching. I'm like when's it going to go?
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, I mean talk about too big to fail.
Speaker 1:Oh, it can fail.
Speaker 3:It can fail.
Speaker 1:I got when I was doing martial arts with one of my buddies new martial arts studio. He's talking about how we're losing rights as American, this and that, and how America is screwing over people. And I said he's like, oh no, he's like take China, can take us over any day now if they really want to. China's got their own big problems. I said, plus, why do they need to attack us? They already got in. And he's like what do you mean? I'm like tick, tock, like it is screwing all the kids memories and what is real and what's not. The divisiveness of trans people to this community, to that community. They already have us finding amongst ourselves. Why do they need to step in?
Speaker 3:And add to that AI when pretty soon, if it's not already happened, how are we going to know if that was an actual news report or was it computer generated?
Speaker 1:The AI right now because I've been studying coding. I'm not like some prolific AI coder, but I just want to know the basics. If you know what you're looking for, there's distinct tells that's AI generated. There's glitches where there shouldn't be glitches and stutters where there shouldn't be stutters. But it's super subtle. Unless you're really looking for that, you can't tell the difference.
Speaker 3:And do you think that 95% of the American public would know what to look for?
Speaker 1:No, not one bit.
Speaker 3:I mean, these are the same people who believe politicians promises on both sides. They already suspend disbelief.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, it's wild. I mean just the political divisiveness we're in. I was actually a big one. I was talking with the martial arts crew when I was helping them clean their masks. I told them when I said World War III is the greatest war to ever happen, but it's the greatest war that we have never seen as a species before. So World War I was the trenches and mustard gas. World War II was the Holocaust and the nukes. What's something we haven't seen yet before? And they're all like I said how about dividing us as a species? Ai and automation and like cyber warfare?
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And I said we as a species have never seen that before, and I said we're already seeing the starts of it, and I said this could be a thousand year war. This could be one that just keeps going and pretty much never ends.
Speaker 3:And there's not going to be too much concern about the emotional or physical well-being of the mere humans. Well, I know it's so divisive right now that I actually made a comment on somebody's post on social media that said Well, if either or both Biden or Trump broke the law, then they need to be held accountable, either one of them. Right.
Speaker 3:And that's all I said was if either or both of them broke the law, hold them accountable. And the shitstorm that hit was just amazing. I this guy came yesterday. This guy came out of the woodwork on that post and called me a brainwashed communist. He said that these were my indictments. And I'm like, wait a minute. I wasn't supporting Biden and he was. I wasn't saying Biden didn't do anything wrong. I don't know if he did. I said let's just see how the court proceedings go.
Speaker 1:It's the Hunter Biden situation is what he's referencing.
Speaker 3:Oh no, I know, I know, but I mean I understand what both sides are talking about. But that's why I said if either Biden or Trump did something wrong, let them have their day in court and we'll see what the evidence was right. And I was told that I was unfit to be an American Because I said if somebody broke the law they should be held accountable. It's just crazy that they're so divided and so much this is my team versus your team, and both sides think the other team is the devil. But they can't even say well, you know what? Yeah, if my guy did break the law, then he should be punished. You never saw anything like that happen during the Nixon administration, where, when it came out that, yeah, he had been doing some really shady stuff, there weren't Republicans protesting saying that it was a witch hunt.
Speaker 1:It's literally. I do futures contract rating and my mentor has a zoom call every Thursday at like 4pm Alabama time. So to my time I don't go anymore, because the one hedge fund broker guy. All he talks about is Trump is a crump. The 2000 meals to the Lib Tards ruined America and yeah, we might want to talk about that, but then he's like I didn't get to talk to election away, trump. And he's like the kind of guy like I imagine him looking at a poster of Trump on the wall and just at 70, not Harakai, but he's just like Trump, trump, trump yeah, yeah, no, it's.
Speaker 3:I don't understand, Like my degrees in political science, but honestly I don't like any politician to be that excited about them.
Speaker 1:Me neither.
Speaker 3:They're just people. They are just people.
Speaker 1:Seriously, that's the like for me. Like, especially because we're getting into election next year. Yeah everyone was like who you voting for? Are you voting? Oh, by the way, fun fact before we get back to that, I guess Gavin Newsom is going to run.
Speaker 3:Is he really?
Speaker 1:I guess he's going to run. I guess he did a debate against Santos last night. I want to look that up. I'm like how did that go?
Speaker 3:Oh my, yeah, I'd heard his name tossed around, but I didn't know he was actually running.
Speaker 1:He hasn't officially thrown his hat in. I think he wanted to see how it went with the debate before he full, fully threw his hat in, kind of thing. But he's so high and mighty, I mean he's got anti Pelosi, that got him in. Like I think it's one of those, he's good. Yeah, you want, miss, miss, anti Pelosi will figure it out, kind of thing. Back to the other one I was. Everyone was like oh, who are you going to vote for? Like blue or red? I'm like where have the persons? That's not batshit crazy. So it's usually the yellow party. They're actually moderate.
Speaker 3:Oh, it's just. I don't understand people that used to seem like normal human beings, who now, if someone's a Republican, they hate him. If somebody's a Democrat, they hate him. And it says, though, nothing else in life matters. And all of us I don't care which party you belong to or if you don't belong to a party at all, most of us have the vast majority of character traits the same Everybody wants their family safe, well fed, secure. They want to be able to celebrate birthdays with their loved ones. They want to be able to take their loved one to the doctor if they need some kind of medical care. We have so many similarities beyond what box. Has checked on a voter ID card? And it's a big one.
Speaker 1:I mean it's funny but it's not. I was first starting when I was learning how to do pools because my uncle had a knee surgery. That's how I got into the gig, because I got fired from the river and stuff. Pool stuff is like introvert stream. No one really bugs you. No one really talks to you other than like the manager, like hey, I noticed a dead cat, can you get that out of the pool? It's like, yeah, yeah, then dump in the chlorine, clean that, all that up. Then that no one bugs me.
Speaker 1:This lady comes out of nowhere Like I was working and then I had my AirPods in and I turn and go oh shit, and she's like sunny. I want you to know that I sexually identify as a unicorn. I'm like, I'm really. I heard this before at Stater Brothers and I was like, wait, wait, can you explain to me what that means? What identity? Like? Are you trans? Are you this? Are you that? Like, I just identify as a unicorn. I'm like because you're always horny, like. I'm really confused. She lost her shit, lost it, you ignorant, bigot this, and that you homophobic, whatever. And I was like. And then she said you, sir, and I'm really just used her own game. You assumed my gender. How dare you? She's all like. Oh no, she's like. She's like cowering in the corner.
Speaker 3:Oh my gosh. Yeah Well, the only thing that I care about somebody identifying as is I want my students to all identify as someone who's going to work hard and pass my class, that's a rainbow.
Speaker 1:You could be a helicopter or a leprechaun, I don't care, just pass this.
Speaker 3:Make sure you learn what you're supposed to be learning. I don't care otherwise.
Speaker 1:Seriously, but that was the wildest one. I was like I laughed because it was like I was telling my, my girlfriend. I was like this is almost like those internet trolling things, but in real life.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm like people are so blurring Twitter to reality.
Speaker 3:Next step trolling. Right or just completely ignorant oh yeah, I don't know, I don't know where we're going, but here's, here's the here's the solution. Okay. So we're going to take care of all of our problems. If what's going on in those video tapes that the hearing was based on about UAPs, an identified aerial phenomenon, we might be worried about problems. We will never exist. We might not have to worry about AI taking over If there's an alien invasion.
Speaker 1:you know they might just Well, here's what if it's already happened.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:What if it's? Well they're way smarter than us, they have better technology, and thus we're just like this. We're still cavemen running around with sticks. These people, these species could still be so sophisticated that they could embody us like a shape shifter.
Speaker 3:I just wrote a story, actually, that the gist of it is that AI has taken over society and has turned humans into slaves and aliens and everybody's like, oh shit, great, now aliens have landed. How much worse is this going to get? Well, then it turns out that the aliens are the only ones who are far enough advanced with intelligence that they can outsmart the AI. So they come in, they fight our battle, and then they're like we're going to stay here till you stabilize your government and your society, and then we're going to leave again. Thank you very much. We knew this day would come.
Speaker 1:Here's the wild thing. I've been getting a lot of this on YouTube and TikTok. I actually had to leave TikTok but my attention span got so short with that, but that's a big one. People are saying what if we as a species, like how the pyramids were perfectly lined up with everything, how these labyrinths in Egypt are now being found? We, as the species, could never have done that on our own. What if we had, like, star people coming down with their technology and helping us kind of thing? And it could be like your story they're coming back to like we just did this, Like ah, come on.
Speaker 3:I couldn't leave you all for more than a few thousand years.
Speaker 1:Seriously.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So I think, if anything, if there is an alien vision, I don't think it's like more of the world situation. I think it's going to be more like they're trying to be like help us, without us knowing it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, I just think there's so much stuff going on and then you know I'll listen to a paranormal podcast just because it's kind of fun and my stories don't necessarily come from any of those, but it's just kind of funny. I want to hear the ideas that are out there. You know, and I think you know, even 5% of what these talk about is real. Then there's a whole lot going on on our own planet that we don't even understand or aren't aware of.
Speaker 3:And yeah, that's, you know, just going beyond aliens or anything like that. There could be a whole lot of stuff going on on this planet that we were just oblivious to.
Speaker 1:Or you could get into the metaphysical, where we are only on this frequency but there's still all that other stuff going around, but we in this flesh body can't see that.
Speaker 3:Right, interdimensionalism and kind of like. Looking at a sheet of paper from the side view, we only see this little thin slice of it, and if you turned it over, there'd be so much more that we should know about. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, well, because it's like the concept, like time actually is only a man-made thing, like the idea that we've been sitting here for 31 minutes is actually not a thing. Right, we decided it was, though.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean. It's completely a human construct to determine how long a second is or a thousand years. Mm-hmm. That's just. I mean, what if each day is what we consider five days, but we're just built to sleep five times a day? How would I mean?
Speaker 3:exactly. But I know somebody in my family was making the argument. Oh, she was mad as a hornet. Because they were, because the time change, and she said that this is what's wrong with this country and this is why God has abandoned us, because we shouldn't be messing with time, because God established what time is. And I'm like no, actually. I told her this. I said no, actually, time is a man-made construct. Mm-hmm. God didn't. What do you mean? So you go.
Speaker 3:Well, just nowhere in the Bible does it say and God said a second is going to be this long, or a minute is going to be made up of 60 seconds. People get too wrapped up in things that really were just something that it was easier for somebody to break it down into. That time for us to understand.
Speaker 1:Well, it's what I was going to get to is like the seven days, and on the seventh day he rested, kind of thing, but the concept of time was never introduced into. Like the idea of time was never introduced but it's used as if it's already been introduced. So was that humans or was that actually God?
Speaker 3:Yeah, Sorry you go.
Speaker 3:Oh no, I was just going to say that I thought for quite a while that one of the biggest problems that we have, and the division that happens religiously, even between different Christian denominations, is that too many people and it spills over to politics too with this, but too many people try to create God in their image, instead of God made man in his image. We try to create God to be what we want God to be and to be the one that justifies our own narrow perspective of what's okay and what's not okay. And I'm not saying you know it should be a free for all and complete anarchy. You know what I'm saying, that yeah, you know. When you look at genders and stuff like that, you know it's not my place to say whether somebody's going to help because they're different than I am, but a lot of people love to make that argument.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, well, it's one of those. I actually had a chat with one of the clients and then, but also my uncle, when he was training me, and I told him, I said, where does it specifically say in the Bible that? And he couldn't render whatever. I was like essentially like, if you judge, it's okay. Because I told him, I said I've always interpreted the text as if you judge someone, whether you're right or wrong, you have done. You have done a sin, and unforgivable sin. So to say, oh, that person's going to hell from what I've read. And I showed him the text and everything I said that's what I got. It's like you're not supposed to judge, you're just helping. And then, like, karma kicks in, eventually it evens itself out. Where does it say that? Like I and that's where he got.
Speaker 1:Well, man, my uncles are pretty chill dude I, he, his blood was boiling, his face was turning red, I was like he had a knee surgery and he's sitting in my car and I'm like, oh my God, he's going to randomly come over and hit me, kind of thing. But yeah, that's where. It was just one of the. I told him like but where does this say that? Like? I'm genuinely curious because it's not adding up for me. And that's where he he sent you later on, told me he's like you know you're actually right on when it comes to that text and I'm like, wait what?
Speaker 3:Could have been one more time.
Speaker 1:Do you see that when I turned my phone on, yeah.
Speaker 1:But it was just one of those he's like yeah, he's like. I guess at his church they talked about the same thing with that, that exact quote. And that's where he said it is not your place to judge whether someone's going to hear there kind of thing. But then I started telling him. I said, well, since I got one win, I'm going to take you. Give me an inch of going a mile. What about this, this and this? He's like no, but, but that was a big one. He told me. He's like how did you learn that? I'm like dude. I listened to this author named Joseph Murphy. He talks about metaphysical and all that, but he talks about how the Bible is more of a psychological trauma. So if you look at like Jesus as, yes, he's God. But if God is your subconscious because we don't fully understand the subconscious and what it can and can't do If you look at it as your subconscious, as a God, and can literally manifest something, well, we say that's God. But if that's just, all, us humans are intrinsically God.
Speaker 3:In his image right.
Speaker 1:In his image. So and that's where me and him differed. But he said, I said but a lot of what he says is the Bible is more of a psychological drama. It's not supposed to be taken literal.
Speaker 2:He's like because I'm like, I told him like there's Go ahead.
Speaker 3:It's okay. Well, I was just gonna say my my brother in law is one that says that there's no way that aliens actually exist because it's not mentioned in the Bible.
Speaker 1:And so that it's not scriptural.
Speaker 3:Well, and so my my response to that is that the Bible deals with earth. What goes on with us people here on earth when we go to the doctor? We don't want the doctor telling us all the things he's doing to heal his other patients. We just want to know what he's going to do for us, and the Bible is our, our path to heal and and be spiritually reconstructed from being broken, and God didn't intend to have to tell everything to us, just what we need to know.
Speaker 1:Right, it was just enough so you could get an idea where to go. Yeah, like, like I tell people like if you're going to the mountain, the top of a mountain, there could be up to a million ways to the top. Now, some of them are fruitless and some are really dangerous and will get you killed, but there are generally good spots to go that are safe. That doesn't mean you're bending to whatever will or manipulating people, it's just generally, this path is proven and safe kind of thing. You should probably take it. And I said I'm like that's kind of the Bible. It's like this is a really good, safe path.
Speaker 1:It doesn't mean it's right, we have Buddhism, confucianism, hinduism, whatever else isms kind of thing it's like. But it all leads to the same thing. Like if you really look at Buddhism, all it is is life or suffering. You choose to be where you're at, do good more than evil, help your neighbor and think higher of yourself. Wow, that's Christianity kind of in a nutshell. Oh wait, that's also kind of Confucianism and Hinduism and Muslim Muslim, muslim Islam, islam. Yes, it's the same. The root concepts are the same. And that's where I tell people Mike, all religion is just more of like a subtle way of saying this is a good path. Generally should probably take this.
Speaker 3:No, yes, obviously there's a little manipulation in there, but if you look at even when Jesus was on the cross and he was being crucified, with two criminals, the one Repented and said I believe you, you're the son of God, and he said that that man would be with him in paradise. But the other one, who stuck to not believing in going a better way, wasn't To say that there's not more than One way to the top of the mountain, means that you had to only live your life the way One type of person lives, where that, right there, shows that Jesus is like. No, you lived a life of crime and Yet you're still able to get there. You know you didn't have to take the the long route as as long as you want to get to the same place and right.
Speaker 3:So people think that unless Someone lives their life exactly the way that person thinks that Everyone else should be living their lives, that they're not going to make it into heaven, and that just seems Extremely self-centered, which is also supposed to be something that Christians aren't.
Speaker 1:That's my biggest argument with my sister, actually she's, she's going to theology school and getting her seminaries and all that, and Actually the biggest one I had with her and I said this is the tides and something else. And back to her, the, the self-centeredness. But I told her, said I think if Jesus was real, I Said what would he have done? She's like oh, what he said they say in the Bible, mike. No, because the Bible wasn't actually built until a council people came together with the dead sea scrolls and they literally just raised their hand if they liked that verse or not, so that there's a lot of human manipulation in there saying like, oh, we should, because I said there is a quote that was removed. But if you find the debt, there is a dead sea scroll to this same.
Speaker 1:Reincarnation is a thing Sad in the Bible. Oh Wait, because if they have one life and they will actually listen to their overlords and their slave drivers, you have one life. If I kill you, that's it. There's no coming back. But there was a reference to reincarnation. Just just so happens it's not in there anymore. I said what if also Jesus had a wife and kids? Oh Wait, that makes him seem normal and whole other than now. He's not a soul bit virgin. That dies on a cross, there's references and that screws to dead sea scrolls. To that. That's older Mike. There's a lot of more manipulation and you realize in the Bible Well then you look at King James.
Speaker 1:Okay, he altered it so he can live his lifestyle. I can trouble. Exactly and then everything's based off his too.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And that's where she actually was doing the dead sea scrolls and essentially the. She made an argument with her, her professor essentially Back to the self-centeredness she's like her maker break paper was prove God's not real. She couldn't, so she came to me so I told her everything that I've from my studies, the contradictions and this and that. But then so she wrote it. But the self-centeredness for her was like but I don't believe this, so I can't sign off on this. And I'm like you don't have to believe it. That's the whole point of this. Can you present the evidence that before you? But I believe my calling is to prove that God is real. I'm like is that like a voice in your head, or is that You're told by your teacher to do this? You did it.
Speaker 1:And then that's where she's like well, the people at my whatever will understand. Well, they, you're a shepherd, they're the sheep, the shepherd's expressing the sheep to leave the shepherd, but the shepherd has to leave the sheep. Do you see the problem here, kind of thing. And that's where she that me and her don't really talk about religion. But that's where I told her, like you, how you present Christianity is very selfish. God is for me and only me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no kind of thing.
Speaker 3:Yeah, cuz it is not our place to decide if anybody else is going to heaven. That's not our call.
Speaker 1:It's not.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I had people that was so you go oh, just.
Speaker 3:People like to twist, whether it's Religion, politics, money.
Speaker 3:Yeah they put value. You know even music. There are people who try to tell you what music remember Rock and roll was gonna send everybody to hell. They, their notes, their instrumental notes that are no different than notes that were played by Beethoven or Bach or any anybody else, or any other, or Bach or any anybody else, or some good old boy on his fiddle playing bluegrass. And Even as a kid I was like You're gonna have to be a pretty weak person and Really weak in your faith if you think it's gonna take some musical notes to Cause your sin to go. You know, cause you to sin and go to hell.
Speaker 3:Oh, yeah you're you're not very faithful to begin with. If that's all it took.
Speaker 1:And it's sad. I mean like when I was going to church when I was younger, this when my parents were taking me and I didn't really have a choice or no, knew better, although actually Christian, I knew better. I would actually ditch class things, go like sit in the library instead. But the female pastor at the time was really progressive in the 90s, was a female pastor Kind of thing. They're like we're edgy and politically correct before it was even a thing. She pulled me aside. I was a big boy back then. I mean, I had a young age. They gave me meds and all that. One of them made me a little Seven year old. Seven year old gain essentially 60 pounds in like two months.
Speaker 3:Whoo.
Speaker 1:I. No one told me. So they're all like oh your fat, jesus don't like fat people. She literally grabbed me and just went Josh, god doesn't like fat people. Fat people, go to hell. Do you like Jesus? You need to lose fat or you're going to hell. I Was literally turned and said if that's your God, I don't want him, kind of thing. That was a whole blow up over there, but that that's what made me realize, kind of like what we were doing to self-centered, like she didn't, like I was fat. She was using hell as a reference for me to was way. But that's judging which.
Speaker 3:Back to the original yeah, and that's trying to put yourself On an even par with God that supposedly you worship and serve.
Speaker 1:Oh, but we're buddy buddies. We talk all the time, it's okay.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he doesn't need our help in deciding things like that. In fact, he doesn't need our help in deciding anything.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that was, that was a big one. That's when I started like ditching and just going to like the library or at a young age I started the guys were like, cook, make the, bring out the cookies and the really, really bitter coffee. Yeah, so I had like eight. I would come out for my coffee and he's like, hey, I can't give you real coffee because it'll be obvious, but I'll give you decaf, which is like little to no caffeine. I'd be sitting there all happy, like sipping my coffee and talking to him with my little scone, and so he, that's where he talked about different stuff and that's when I realized I'm like At a young age I realized religions, like art, we can all see the same thing but get different things out of it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's a good point. Well, we haven't talked at all yet about your book.
Speaker 1:If they are still sitting here because of all the shit we've talked about. That's impressive. You all are amazing, love you all. So tell you, told me about the AI and the aliens, tell me more about it. I like give me the like, the lead-up, like the build-up point, like oh, oh, of that, of that one short story.
Speaker 3:Oh, oh no, the new one then well, well, all all of my books, all of my science fiction and paranormal books, are short story collections, so there's like 30 short stories in each of them. So that just happens to be one of the stories that I wrote for, for, actually for book four that comes out in large. I finished book four already. I know I said I set a goal for myself to finish it Before school started again and I did it with two days to spare.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah happy, and but the one that came out July 1st is called a starry night okay and it has some really fun stories in it too, and I have written so many stories.
Speaker 3:This sounds Terrible. I should probably be on here being the warrior for a starry night right now, but I Wrote so many stories over the summer To make book four that now I'm having trouble off the top of my head remembering which ones are in a starry night, which ones are in the next book, which is going to be called which way to go?
Speaker 1:Hell is. Just tell us about whichever ones that come to your mind. Whether then, people, if it's your your fourth book, I'm like oh well, gotta go get that fourth one now.
Speaker 3:Okay, all right, so I wrote a really long one to finish up which way to go, and it's w itch which way to go, and it's called an arm and a leg.
Speaker 3:Okay and it is about a police officer who Is called to the scene of a stranded motorist down this deserted, dirt road and he gets there and it was an ambush and he's oh yeah, he's attacked and he ends up Losing one of his arms. Whatever, whoever this was, they used what was presumed to be an axe on him and they cut off one of his arms and legs and he almost bled to death and he's in the hospital for a long, long time, for weeks, and finally gets to go home and only one of his friends he talks to a counselor but only one of his friends from the force Does he talk to you about all the anger that he has and he wants revenge. He wants to find who did this right, because now he can't be a cop anymore. His whole life has been turned upside down, and so his buddy is like Don't worry about it, I'm with you and I'll do whatever it takes, legal or not legal, to get this person.
Speaker 3:Mm-hmm well, and this is a very condensed version of it. This is just the high points of it. So, anyway, one night they decided to go out to where the attack had happened and it the whole thing with that seemed like the air vibrated and they could hear A voice. You know, here and there and they're looking around with their flashlights and they get attacked again and In the final scene there's a young officer who's answering a call that dispatch has sent him out on to go find the the officers because they were in peril, and he's just being sent out there to be another victim, because it turns out that the dispatcher Is actually the one who is sending them out there because her otherworldly family that lives out in this hollow actually eats people. Hey.
Speaker 3:And the cost of raising the family on a dispatcher's income costs an arm and a leg. I like it.
Speaker 1:That's cool.
Speaker 3:So I always have a twist of some kind in all my stories and the good guys aren't always who you assume are the good guys and sometimes the bad guys aren't even all that bad. There's this one story called the trophy hunter. That's in a starry night and it's this guy and he's bragging about his hunting prowess and how he knows that people who aren't hunters think that it's just horrible that he goes out and he trophy hunts. But he likes to go out and hunt apex predators. That's his thing because you know any.
Speaker 3:Yeah, well, the whole reason for it is that's the challenge. Anybody can kill something that's not going to possibly get you, but looking something in the eye that you know could kill you too, and you still win Challenge it yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that you know, macho rush, that he gets from it. Well, and it talks about he's on this hunt, the safari, and there were three apex predators that he wanted to get. And it's coming down to the last night that he's going to be on the hunt and he's thinking he might come up with only two of the three. Each time he describes briefly how he goes about killing them and getting his prey and it's written so that people go. That's just horrible. Oh, those horrible hunters, oh, that's awful. Well, it turns out he's actually an alien and he comes down to earth and, like one of his apex predators was a murderer, one's a rapist and one did something else. That's horrible, like a pedophile or something like that. Okay, so people go. Oh, wait a minute. We're always saying that those people should die anyway. You know, suddenly the perspective flipped.
Speaker 1:You're getting Peter really involved on that one.
Speaker 3:Yeah, well, just when you think that you're going to hate this guy who's the narrator, then it's like oh wait, he was kind of doing earth a favor in a lot of people's minds, so anyway that's cool.
Speaker 1:That's really cool. Do you have any psychological, like Jekyll and high breakdowns stories?
Speaker 3:I have ones where people, characters, aren't necessarily what they seem to be, as far as like in this one story that I wrote. It's in which way to go.
Speaker 3:It is about a boy who his grandfather dies. It's called in search of Alistair Lane and his grandfather, on a deathbed, says you've got to find Alistair Lane, he's like, but I don't know where that is. Well then his grandfather dies and he's left all alone and he ends up being put in foster care because his grandfather was the only family that he had and his whole life he's like. You know, mulberry Lane was two blocks over and this and that was, you know, this lane was over here. And he's looking and he can't find any record of there being an Alistair Lane in their town. Well then he finally ends up with a good foster family and but they understand, when he turns 18, he wants to go find this out. He wants to find this place because his grandfather had said all of his trouble began there.
Speaker 3:And it turns out that Alistair Lane is a person, a who not aware, and he's a demon that basically takes his victims as like their souls as payment. Right, they belong to him then? Well, and the only way that you can not have that fate is you have to hand over somebody else to them. Well then, out of the shadows, where this kid has gone to meet up with this Alistair Lane to hunt him down. The grandfather comes out of the shadows and the grandfather is the one that sold him out. God damn, I know Reginald was a bad dude. Yeah, damn, yeah. Friends like that, who needs enemies? Huh.
Speaker 1:Right Dang, and you try to he, and he trusted him too and it was like that yeah, he's still the man like wow.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Dang girl. You're like you're all trying to piss off everyone. Oh, christians, this and that. Peter, you said if you go you go missing for a different reason, like I know where she's at, it's okay.
Speaker 3:Just call me salmon rush, right.
Speaker 1:I am just curious, though on a side note are you worried about like cancel culture and all that like coming after you?
Speaker 3:Not too much. No. Why. Just because the whole reason for the stories is to make people think and to to challenge expectations. So it's. It's not as though. It's not as though I have some agenda that I'm trying to impose on other people or anything like that. I just like to upend people's expectations of what they think something's going to be. That's all.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, and if they get all hot and bothered, all it is is free advertised for you because you're going to be like look these, these just to cry about. We got to get more book sales.
Speaker 3:Yeah, go see what they're complaining about. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's a big one because I've been reading different like books and like save the cat writes a novel by Jessica something, and then this other one I bought on audible called great courses, like how to rate great fiction. Then I also listened to Stephen King's memoir on writing and all of them unanimously say if you want to be a successful author, do not expect to make friends. Yeah, if you're like, if you want to make friends as an author, you're in the wrong business Kind of thing. Yeah, we're.
Speaker 3:We're here to tell stories and to tell stories. Well, not not worry about see. I have a problem with people with who think that all stories should have trigger warnings. I'm serious. The trigger that's. That's why people watch scary movies.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because you don't want to be warned.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they want the surprise If you go. Oh, by the way, this is about animals being killed. But don't worry, it's not animals, it's just pedophiles. And if you're a pedophile and you're going to feel triggered by this just a little morning, maybe you shouldn't read this story. It's going to hurt your little boo boo's, you know, and no, no, I like for me.
Speaker 1:I don't put trigger warnings on stuff like this, because it's like we had a great conversation. The thing with podcasts is we're having a great conversation and you get to listen in. Yeah if you don't like it, you can always click off and go somewhere else, kind of thing.
Speaker 3:Exactly. They're like I'm not and it's not that much, yeah, and we're not being insulting to each other either.
Speaker 1:No, we were just challenging each other. Exactly, and that's where like one of the guests actually listened to me and she's like man, you should put trigger warnings on stuff. I'm like man, if I did that I would raise them. Like this whole notebook would be full by the end of a week of everything I have to remember. Yeah, because I was like, because I told her, like there's always new triggers, I said there's a new one, I hear, and it's so disgustingly weird, you have to warn people about cutting plants.
Speaker 3:What.
Speaker 1:Yeah, If someone's cutting grass, apparently that's triggering. I didn't know that to like a couple of weeks ago. I feel like my girlfriend listens to like this podcast with two ladies and they get drunk and have ADHD conversations. There was 10 minutes of trigger warning 10 minutes. I'm like oh my God. And then they do like another 10 minutes of ads and I was like, okay, by the time I was at that point, why are you?
Speaker 3:listening what's the point of listening if you already know what topics are going to be discussed.
Speaker 1:Exactly. I was like wait, that's so stupid kind of thing. And this is the whole thing where they really enable ladies to do whatever they want, but not for the betterment of a relationship, just for themselves At part. Mostly why I stopped listening because they're like girl, you want to go get some dick, go get some, you got a boyfriend, don't worry about it, he's just a little bitch anyways. And I said I sat down like that's more, was like I'm done, I'm not going to listen to this.
Speaker 3:Yeah, now that that deserves a trigger warning right there that they're going to tell people trash your life, go out there, ruin your life and your relationship, do it.
Speaker 1:It's okay, girl. Yeah, and I was just one of those. I was like I know that's what those extremist feminists want to hear, kind of thing, where it's like you just embody the masculine and the feminine. It's okay, girl, pass bitch, kind of thing, and it's like there's a reason why it's called female or feminine energy versus male or masculine energy. There's there's intentionally a divide, but when they unite it's like Union Yang kind of thing, not because supposed to be all black, little white, kind of thing.
Speaker 3:Well, and I hate to be the one I mean trigger warning to those podcasters. I hate to be the one to tell you this, but women have been out doing that. Yeah. You're not telling them anything remarkable. Anybody who's going to want to do that already has been doing it.
Speaker 1:And they're probably not listening to your podcast because they're embedding someone else.
Speaker 3:They're too busy doing their thing.
Speaker 1:But it was just that's where like for me. That's why I stopped listening to that, because I'm like that's all that's doing is adding to the divisiveness we were talking about earlier, because it's like really like kind of thing. But so sorry for that side. Tension for the. Tell me a couple more of your other stories.
Speaker 3:Oh my goodness, let me think of the recent ones.
Speaker 1:What's the one that sticks out to you the most, whether it's the old one or a new one?
Speaker 3:Well, there's this one. That is the first story in book two. Book two is called when the cow bird sings and the very first story is called Ice House Canyon. And when I lived in Globe, arizona, I taught at a alternative school that was down in Ice House Canyon and there is a legend down there about this goat man that lives down there and yeah, he apparently is super scary and looks at people's window and stuff like that. No, not just like a Capricorn.
Speaker 1:I was like a Capricorn.
Speaker 3:But no, supposedly there's this guy. I'm not a guy, it's a goat man that lives down there, walks on hooves and everything.
Speaker 3:And it's been a legend in that area for a long, long time and actually one of my oldest son's friends from elementary school swore that he had seen it one night and the kid was like being absolutely serious, not trying to pull our leg or anything. He was terrified. I started off with the concept of the goat man of Ice House Canyon and then I blended in because I needed somebody to be the bad guy, the little punk who picks on the good kid, johnny Pensinger, who has just moved to the area right. Right.
Speaker 3:And so when my youngest son was in eighth grade, he had never had trouble with this kid before the kids going around all day long. I'm going to kick Kevin Peters ass. I'm going to kick his ass. Where's Kevin? I'm going to kick his ass and everybody's going.
Speaker 3:Why are you saying that you and Kevin have never had any kind of beef before? Even a couple of teachers were like why are you saying that? You need to stop saying that. So Kevin finally told the kid well, okay, you know, if that's what you want, you know, then meet me after school, but I'm not looking for a fight. So Kevin had to walk one direction to get to our house. The other kid had to go the other direction to get to his house. Well, kevin had kind of looked around after school, didn't see the kid. So he and his best friend came walking down to go to our house. The other kid saw Kevin turn around, came and picked a fight with Kevin and Kevin's like you know what guy? All right, fine, I'll even let you have the first hit, but you better make it count, because after that the fight. Yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and he had his best friend, jeremy, hold his arms behind his back, had this kid hit him and then Kevin beat the crap out of the kid and turned and walked home right. So next thing, you know this, this blows up into this huge thing. Kevin is out of school, suspended for 10 days for gang fighting.
Speaker 1:It was just him.
Speaker 3:Right. But after he had beaten this kid up, these other two boys who had heard this kid meld in the entire day about how he's going to beat up Kevin, one of them passed the kid who was on the ground crying and he gave him a little kick with his foot Like nothing serious, just bumped him with his foot like you know cry baby, baby. A little jerk, right. Well, they use that to say that Kevin was in a gang fight. Well, I complained to the principal, got nowhere, went to the superintendent's office and the superintendent she says oh yeah, I know all about this. And I'm like how could you know all about this? It just happened yesterday. She goes wow, his grandmother is my secretary, so I already know all about this. Because the other kid didn't get in trouble at all. That kid's name was Tyler Allard. So in my Ice House Canyon story, the little bully who gets punked and becomes a little bitch, I named him Tyler Allard.
Speaker 1:Sweet revenge.
Speaker 3:Exactly, that's cool.
Speaker 1:So then, how does the Goat man thing do they find him and realize it's just like a weird mutated man. Was it a monster?
Speaker 3:It turns out that Johnny Pinsinger the reason why his family moved there, was because that was actually where they were from and his whole family, like his mom and his uncle, the Goat man. They all transformed into goats and he extended his own feet that had also changed into hooves. Okay, okay, yeah, so the Goat man wasn't bad. He had just seen what was happening with that Tyler kid and he paid a little visit over to Tyler's house and they decided after that, tyler and his father decided they didn't want any trouble with the Pinsingers.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I would think so. Yeah, giant Goat man thing came in and you're like oh, and if they were simple Christians? You would be like say please, there say. That's cool, though I like the stories.
Speaker 3:I will think just real quick, a farm story. I saw something incredible. It was about two weeks ago on my farm. I should take in a video, but I was so stunned at what I was witnessing that I didn't. But I did take a couple of still photos once she accomplished her task.
Speaker 3:But I feel like I'm Jane Goodall with goats, because one of my baby goats, matilda and she is pretty smart Like she learned her name within like a day, the whole thing. She's a pretty sharp goat. I had no idea she was this smart, though. She was standing there and she was looking up at the fence at some vines that were growing on the top of the fence, but since she's a baby, she can't reach it right. So she looked over and there was a rubber made tub that I had out in the yard to kick out in their yard to catch rainwater for them. She went over, she pushed it towards the fence up, ended it so that it went upside down, and then hopped on top of the turned over rubber made tub so she could get up and eat the leaves. Yes, amazing, I could not believe it. She's a genius. I think she's probably already studying calculus at this point.
Speaker 1:Honestly, this is the one thing I tell people. I said who's to say animals are as, not as smart as us. The only difference between us and animals is how we communicate. What if we don't even know that?
Speaker 3:We don't even know that. I tell Keith, people talk about how stupid animals are, but they can understand what we're saying and we don't understand a thing that they're saying.
Speaker 1:Well, like these fish, they're super smart. I also figured out some of them are carnivorous, so when a fish dies, there's suddenly a missing body. But that's a different story. I didn't do my homework on that, but literally they know, they learn that. I got them when I was still working night shift, so they learned when the light turns on food time, but also when I sit here I talk to them. There's a lot more of them. They would start schooling where that blue thing is.
Speaker 3:Really.
Speaker 1:When I talk to them, but then they would go back to normal and just be over here. It was the weirdest thing and that's where I was like, oh my gosh, that's like I'm talking to them, they know.
Speaker 3:Yeah, well, matilda's dad, his name's Hercules. I'll let him free range in the in the actual my yard to eat down weeds and stuff like that. And it's a good thing that he does not have opposable thumbs, because he tries he would have thought so much. Well, he tries to get in the house. He understands I have watched him. He understands that the screen door is manipulated by the handle and he'll come up and he'll be like he'll put his front hooves on the door and be biting the handle, trying to pull on it to open it. If he ever figures out that he just needs to put his hooves on the wall of the house and then pull with his mouth on the handle, he could very well start letting himself in.
Speaker 1:You're just going to come home one day and Hercules is going to be on the couch going like hey lady.
Speaker 3:Exactly yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, I got myself a brusky, it's OK yeah.
Speaker 3:The dogs they're being pretty well behaved and dinners on the stove, yeah.
Speaker 1:The real life goat man. He just said, hey, yeah.
Speaker 3:That's cool.
Speaker 1:I mean honestly, though, it's just a curious little goat. Well, big goat he's good, they're Nigerian dwarfs, so they aren't very good, ok, but I mean like years ago before COVID, my sister bought chickens. She got on a whole chicken coop thing. She bought them and she tended them for about three weeks and then totally abandoned her chickens and I inherited them. But the one thing is two of them died from egg impaction. I didn't know that was a thing.
Speaker 3:No, it's real.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I guess it's a really excruciating death for them too. So those two died and they never really liked me. There was this little brown oddball and so, like the little brown ball was the one I was left and it's still when I was working night shift. So I would go out and I'd literally just open the gate and let her roam the yard because we have a lot of bugs and a lot of grass. So she'd go out and clean up our bugs. And there was one day I was really depressed for some reason I was probably just getting enough sunlight or whatever. She hopped on my lap, looked at me, pecked my cheek, but didn't hurt me a few times, and then just snuggled with me. How did she know that I needed that? Unless she was smarter than we thought?
Speaker 3:Yeah, they are smart. I think it just makes people feel bad to think that we eat things that are really smart. And as much as I love my chickens, I also love to eat chicken, so it just kind of gets nobody we know, so it's okay.
Speaker 1:But also it's like our body does need animal protein, and as much as people. Oh, you can make it with soy. I've seen more damage with soy. Well, okay, yeah, the whole argument of veganism is actually killing the world more than cows. But essentially I told them I'm like the one person at work was like oh, soy is great for you. I'm like have you heard of men actually getting breast cancer because of eating so much soy? Uh huh, he's like no, that's not real. Like, oh, it's totally a thing it produces estrogen, doesn't it?
Speaker 3:Doesn't it cause their bodies?
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, it produces more estrogen than even a woman can produce. So and that's where I'm sitting here telling him like dude, you want to get bitch tits and breast cancer at like 35? Go for it. Kind of thing. Oh, that's all you're going to get.
Speaker 1:Because he's like, oh, I'm doing it to save animal lives. So I was like, okay, is that you an argument I have I don't usually use it often because you're trying to save one life right? And he's like, yes, I said, okay, what about those farmers in South America who torched the rainforest? Let's just talk about the thousand, not talk about the thousands of rare indigenous species that might be exclusive to that one tree that he just cut down for your soy. Let's skip those thousands. What about the tens of, even hundreds of thousands of insects that they use pesticides to commit genocide in the area, on top of any foxes, turtles, birds that they have to shoot? I said we're talking in the hundreds of thousands of dollars per crop, no, hundreds of thousands of lives per crop.
Speaker 1:But that's not one cow. And I said that one cow maybe in his lifetime will kill I'm being really conservative like 500 flies in his lifetime compared to hundreds of thousands of indigenous species, turtles, this and that. Oh, but it's one life kind of thing. It's like that's just crops. It's not actually real. And I said here's my other argument what if plants like our talk? What if plants are talking to us? But we're too stupid to hear him. What if the cracking of the branches, actually the tree, screaming and agony, and that's the one time we can actually hear it.
Speaker 3:I like that.
Speaker 1:So then you are taking life.
Speaker 3:I may have to use that in a story, just so you know, josh.
Speaker 1:Go for it.
Speaker 1:Because I told him. I said there's where I'm at, there's 150 year old fig tree. And when I was working night shift I had to go sit in that tree during the night. I felt like a old whispering willow, like in Lord of the Rings, was talking to me. Could be hallucinating, could be whatever, but it felt like it was coming from the ground, though what I don't, I don't well, I would just. It pretty much said to me it's like why are you so sad? You are a heavy burden on me. And I said, oh, I'm just sad because life, like I'm doing the same thing over and over again. And the tree was just like but that's life, I do the same thing over and over again, kind of thing. That is the cycle it is normal for for this, this planet, kind of thing.
Speaker 3:That's really cool.
Speaker 1:Right, I was just one of those. That's right. I always do the argument of like frequencies. I must have got down to a certain frequency. I could hear it.
Speaker 3:Well, and I think we all were maybe not all, but quite a few of us for whatever reason, we don't know why, but we'll have a favorite tree, you know, or you know maybe. Well, I grew up in the country and we had lots of trees and I, you know, it's not that I had anything against any of the others, but my two favorite trees were the hickory tree in the front yard and the mulberry tree down on the side yard. Not for like, rationally, there's probably not any reason why I liked that one better. But what if there is something about the frequency? And, to a certain degree, certain plants, excuse me, do speak to you a certain way. Why is it that some people like particular flowers more than others? There could be all kinds of reasons.
Speaker 1:Again back to the. We don't even fully understand our brain, so I'm really expecting them to know.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:And that's, and that's kind of like the big. Once I told them that I said if we ever put a body count on how much life is taken, I promise you possible burgers and the like, the fo meat stuff. That would suddenly stop. Yeah, because the whole argument of veganism just blows up right there.
Speaker 3:Well, and also you look at things like even the microorganisms in the soil where a cow is actually giving back nutrients that they live on, and so if you stop raising cows, how many of those microorganisms are going to lose their food source?
Speaker 1:Which then affects the quality of the food, which then affects us, kind of thing.
Speaker 3:Yep.
Speaker 1:Definitely so. If you ever do one with a plant story like that, I'd love to hear about it.
Speaker 3:Okay, I mean I did write one that had to do with plants and I'll send it to you. It's called how Does your Garden Grow? Okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that sounds interesting, but I would love to hear your take on like kind of like what we just chatted about, like making your short stories to make people think That'd be cool. Okay, that'd be fun. That would Well Let me see your ready, your brain just going for it.
Speaker 3:I'm thinking, hmm, this will be fun.
Speaker 1:Will be. Is your phone about to die?
Speaker 3:No, I was. I just saw that it's almost seven o'clock here. Oh, I wasn't sure how long you needed to be talking.
Speaker 1:I'm here as long as you want to be here. I'm here the way. But yeah, I think that's a good one. I think we caused a lot of chaos in the middle of people listening to the stories, and then we had a little philosophy at the end. I think it was a good one.
Speaker 3:I think so too.
Speaker 1:I appreciate it.
Speaker 3:We need to do this again.
Speaker 1:Absolutely. You have my link, you can always book.
Speaker 3:You can just tell me about your fishing trip, if nothing else.
Speaker 1:Fishing trip okay. Sounds good.
Speaker 3:It's always fun to talk with you it is, it is.
Speaker 1:Well, I'm going to. Just if people made it to the end in our soliciting, where can they get to you?
Speaker 3:They can find my books on Amazon and my name's Caroline Giamanco I'm sure you'll have that information attached to the podcast on how to spell it. On Facebook, I'm Caroline Giamanco author and my fan page is Caroline Giamanco author fans. On Twitter, I'm at Giamanco book.
Speaker 1:Giamanco book. Okay, Cool, cool. Well, absolute honor and a pleasure. Like always, we could sink three hours in this conversation, and only just. We don't have enough liquid debt for that kind of thing.
Speaker 3:This is true. I think I'm losing my voice a little bit, so I apologize for coughing earlier.
Speaker 1:It's okay.